This was the final session in a very illuminating series on creationism and evolution. The speaker wrapped up his section on the dinosaurs and quickly breezed through several other topics which he included in the appendices.
I. Dinosaurs and Deluge
II. Docile Dinosaurs
III. Defunct Dinosaurs
IIII. Dragons Defined
V. More on the Ice Age
VI. Racial Characteristics and Racism in Evolution
I felt some of the final topics he shared, some of which I have not included in the list above, were more speculative in their nature than most of the topics dealt with earlier in the course material. Among which, the canopy theory was mentioned; this was an idea that I examined in an earlier post and am not eager to discuss again.
I. Dinosaurs and Deluge
If fossils are simply a reflection of the action of the flood, then the position of dinosaurs in a creationist timeline is quite simple. They lived just like any other reptiles in antediluvian times, and would also have been present in Noah's great vessel. The speaker also points out that the dimensions of the ark would be sufficient for all kinds of land dinosaurs to board, based on a few key points. First, it would make logical sense to bring the young of dinosaurs onto the ark, as they would be logical candidates for the subsequent repopulation. This also implies that the gargantuan kinds of sauropods and other similarly proportioned lizards could be represented by far more manageable and miniature adolescent specimens. Second, the speaker estimates that there are only about fifty or so kinds of dinosaurs, which does challenge the number of species of dinosaurs that are supposed to have existed. It is worth noting however, that a genesis kind may not accurately reflect a single species by a modern definition, and variety within a species may be so great that their skeletal remains may induce too fine a subdivision upon examination. Third, the speaker points out that the nutritional demands of reptiles, even large reptiles, are much lower that that of comparably sized endotherms. If food supply was an issue, Noah would have had a harder time stockpiling for mammals than for dinosaurs.
The speaker points out that there is really an assumption that man and dinosaurs could not have lived contemporaneously. I remember my young self looking down with disdain on comics which featured dinosaurs masticating hominids or on friends who had the apparently mistaken impression that the terrible lizards and the wise men could have looked each other in the eye. Yet, I have no good reason for such a belief apart from evolutionary indoctrination. If one would consider the dinosaurs simply to be another sort of reptile, which has unfortunately gone extinct, there would really be far less of an unease accepting this point. There are plenty of other species which have gone extinct, so is it so hard to suppose it could have happened to these beasts? I'll save more of this for part III.
If fossils are simply a reflection of the action of the flood, then the position of dinosaurs in a creationist timeline is quite simple. They lived just like any other reptiles in antediluvian times, and would also have been present in Noah's great vessel. The speaker also points out that the dimensions of the ark would be sufficient for all kinds of land dinosaurs to board, based on a few key points. First, it would make logical sense to bring the young of dinosaurs onto the ark, as they would be logical candidates for the subsequent repopulation. This also implies that the gargantuan kinds of sauropods and other similarly proportioned lizards could be represented by far more manageable and miniature adolescent specimens. Second, the speaker estimates that there are only about fifty or so kinds of dinosaurs, which does challenge the number of species of dinosaurs that are supposed to have existed. It is worth noting however, that a genesis kind may not accurately reflect a single species by a modern definition, and variety within a species may be so great that their skeletal remains may induce too fine a subdivision upon examination. Third, the speaker points out that the nutritional demands of reptiles, even large reptiles, are much lower that that of comparably sized endotherms. If food supply was an issue, Noah would have had a harder time stockpiling for mammals than for dinosaurs.
The speaker points out that there is really an assumption that man and dinosaurs could not have lived contemporaneously. I remember my young self looking down with disdain on comics which featured dinosaurs masticating hominids or on friends who had the apparently mistaken impression that the terrible lizards and the wise men could have looked each other in the eye. Yet, I have no good reason for such a belief apart from evolutionary indoctrination. If one would consider the dinosaurs simply to be another sort of reptile, which has unfortunately gone extinct, there would really be far less of an unease accepting this point. There are plenty of other species which have gone extinct, so is it so hard to suppose it could have happened to these beasts? I'll save more of this for part III.
II. Docile Dinosaurs
The speaker points out that the majority of dinosaurs were not fearsome, towering behemoths, but rather, small and herbivorous. He also notes that many of the carnivorous dinosaurs were probably scavengers rather than active hunters, and this category includes the tyrannical-lizard king. Another point submitted was that not all animals with sharp teeth are carnivorous. As examples, he provides the giant panda and the fruit bat, both of which have pointed teeth, and yet one munches contentedly on bamboo while the other flits about from fruit to fruit.
All this contributes to the speakers point that dinosaurs could have existed at the same time as our rather naturally unarmed ancestors. There is no reason to suppose that man could not have subjugated and driven out dinosaurs just as we have practically done away modern predators. There is an attention bias towards the plausibly magnificent and terrifying members of this extinct class of reptiles simply because they make for better publicity.
The speaker points out that the majority of dinosaurs were not fearsome, towering behemoths, but rather, small and herbivorous. He also notes that many of the carnivorous dinosaurs were probably scavengers rather than active hunters, and this category includes the tyrannical-lizard king. Another point submitted was that not all animals with sharp teeth are carnivorous. As examples, he provides the giant panda and the fruit bat, both of which have pointed teeth, and yet one munches contentedly on bamboo while the other flits about from fruit to fruit.
All this contributes to the speakers point that dinosaurs could have existed at the same time as our rather naturally unarmed ancestors. There is no reason to suppose that man could not have subjugated and driven out dinosaurs just as we have practically done away modern predators. There is an attention bias towards the plausibly magnificent and terrifying members of this extinct class of reptiles simply because they make for better publicity.
III. Defunct Dinosaurs
Now, to address the obvious query, if the dinosaurs were ensconced in the ark, where are they now? The speaker draws in more flood geology at this point. Most flood geologists agree that after the flood, conditions would have been vastly different to the climate before the earth shaking cataclysm. Chief among these changes is the precipitation of an ice age. Altered wind and ocean currents, the high humidity and volcanic ash would have contributed to a runaway temperature drop, and the resulting ice age could have lasted several centuries.
Proceeding logically, with a frigid conditions descending worldwide, ectotherms would be more adversely affected than their thermally homeostatic counterparts. In addition to the climate, the survivors of the flood would face food scarcity as there would be a lack of mature vegetation to support their appetites. So it would seem that many of the kinds of dinosaurs, particularly the larger ones, or k-strategists, would have perished in the hostile new world they found themselves in.
Now, to address the obvious query, if the dinosaurs were ensconced in the ark, where are they now? The speaker draws in more flood geology at this point. Most flood geologists agree that after the flood, conditions would have been vastly different to the climate before the earth shaking cataclysm. Chief among these changes is the precipitation of an ice age. Altered wind and ocean currents, the high humidity and volcanic ash would have contributed to a runaway temperature drop, and the resulting ice age could have lasted several centuries.
Proceeding logically, with a frigid conditions descending worldwide, ectotherms would be more adversely affected than their thermally homeostatic counterparts. In addition to the climate, the survivors of the flood would face food scarcity as there would be a lack of mature vegetation to support their appetites. So it would seem that many of the kinds of dinosaurs, particularly the larger ones, or k-strategists, would have perished in the hostile new world they found themselves in.
IIII. Dragons Defined
The speaker now moves on to discuss whether there are any records of dinosaurs by the ancients, ore recent evidence of dinosaurs in general. He quotes several unusual finds of preserved soft dinosaur tissue, which would have long deteriorated by evolutionist eons. Unfortunately, he once again does not provide much needed citations for these discoveries.
There are apparently many examples of dinosaurs found in the art of antiquity. Cave paintings of creatures that look remarkably like modern visualisations of dinosaurs have been found in Native American and Rhodesian sites. From what we know about early prehistoric art, people were not inclined to imaginative depictions of fantastical monsters, but painted what they saw. There are also ancient Chinese sculptures, Roman mosaics and Mesopotamian artefacts which could easily be representations of dinosaurs.
Of course, as you would have noticed from this section's header, the ubiquity of draconic legends could easily be attributed to a hazy memory of what we now dub dinosaurs. The speaker notes many similarities between dinosaurs and dinosaurs :
1. They are reptilian in nature.
2. They reproduce with eggs
3. There are varieties of both, in the air, in the oceans and on land
4. They are scaled, armoured or smooth skinned beings.
5. Many have horns or spines
There are many mentions of dragons or reptilian beasts in world legends, from Gilgamesh from St. George. Finally, the bible itself mentions dragons many times, though this is sometimes obscured by translation. Most notably, descriptions of the Leviathan and the Behemoth in Job, which some scholars suggest may have been written in antediluvian times. Other references include Deut 32:33, Psalm 74:13, Isaiah 27:1, Jeremiah 51:37, Ezekiel 29:3 and Micah 1:8. The speaker also notes that in Genesis 1:21, the hebrew word 'tannim', usually translated as 'sea monsters', could easily encompass aquatic dinosaurs.
The speaker now moves on to discuss whether there are any records of dinosaurs by the ancients, ore recent evidence of dinosaurs in general. He quotes several unusual finds of preserved soft dinosaur tissue, which would have long deteriorated by evolutionist eons. Unfortunately, he once again does not provide much needed citations for these discoveries.
There are apparently many examples of dinosaurs found in the art of antiquity. Cave paintings of creatures that look remarkably like modern visualisations of dinosaurs have been found in Native American and Rhodesian sites. From what we know about early prehistoric art, people were not inclined to imaginative depictions of fantastical monsters, but painted what they saw. There are also ancient Chinese sculptures, Roman mosaics and Mesopotamian artefacts which could easily be representations of dinosaurs.
Of course, as you would have noticed from this section's header, the ubiquity of draconic legends could easily be attributed to a hazy memory of what we now dub dinosaurs. The speaker notes many similarities between dinosaurs and dinosaurs :
1. They are reptilian in nature.
2. They reproduce with eggs
3. There are varieties of both, in the air, in the oceans and on land
4. They are scaled, armoured or smooth skinned beings.
5. Many have horns or spines
There are many mentions of dragons or reptilian beasts in world legends, from Gilgamesh from St. George. Finally, the bible itself mentions dragons many times, though this is sometimes obscured by translation. Most notably, descriptions of the Leviathan and the Behemoth in Job, which some scholars suggest may have been written in antediluvian times. Other references include Deut 32:33, Psalm 74:13, Isaiah 27:1, Jeremiah 51:37, Ezekiel 29:3 and Micah 1:8. The speaker also notes that in Genesis 1:21, the hebrew word 'tannim', usually translated as 'sea monsters', could easily encompass aquatic dinosaurs.
V. More on the Ice Age
The speaker quotes 'Willmington's Guide to the Bible' and explains that extremely high humidity would have been the primary driving force behind the ice age. If the flood was global, then all the areas which would have become our modern day deserts would have been utterly waterlogged. For a long while, these waterlogged areas, which would otherwise be dry, would have served as vast reserves of water that would be evaporated. Evaporation itself has a cooling effect, and increased cloud cover would have affected albedo. The great clouds would have been carried north and south, and precipitated as rain or snow for extended periods of time. The buildup of ice led to the formation of great glaciers, which shaped the geography of the continents in the ways that are still evident today.
The speaker quotes 'Willmington's Guide to the Bible' and explains that extremely high humidity would have been the primary driving force behind the ice age. If the flood was global, then all the areas which would have become our modern day deserts would have been utterly waterlogged. For a long while, these waterlogged areas, which would otherwise be dry, would have served as vast reserves of water that would be evaporated. Evaporation itself has a cooling effect, and increased cloud cover would have affected albedo. The great clouds would have been carried north and south, and precipitated as rain or snow for extended periods of time. The buildup of ice led to the formation of great glaciers, which shaped the geography of the continents in the ways that are still evident today.
VI. Racial Characteristics and Racism in Evolution's Past
In one of the final points that the speaker makes, he recalls evolutions darker associations with eugenics, racism and genocide. During an age of empires and colonial subjugation, it was easy for evolutionists to suppose that aboriginal peoples of various lands represented missing links in the chain between apes and the white man. Evolutionary beliefs carried to an unsavoury extreme were what justified wholesale murder and experimentation on subjugated peoples, in the belief that such processes would benefit humankind by accelerating our evolutionary processes, enforcing the natural law of 'conflict' and victory.
Racial characteristics could easily have arisen in the reproductively isolated populations of humans after the tower of Babel incident. But it is worth noting that evolution in the full sense of the word has not happened,all humans, everywhere, are still human beings.
In one of the final points that the speaker makes, he recalls evolutions darker associations with eugenics, racism and genocide. During an age of empires and colonial subjugation, it was easy for evolutionists to suppose that aboriginal peoples of various lands represented missing links in the chain between apes and the white man. Evolutionary beliefs carried to an unsavoury extreme were what justified wholesale murder and experimentation on subjugated peoples, in the belief that such processes would benefit humankind by accelerating our evolutionary processes, enforcing the natural law of 'conflict' and victory.
Racial characteristics could easily have arisen in the reproductively isolated populations of humans after the tower of Babel incident. But it is worth noting that evolution in the full sense of the word has not happened,all humans, everywhere, are still human beings.